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	<title>Comments on: Is Sea Kayaking a Commercial Sport?</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: derrick</title>
		<link>http://keithwikle.com/index.php/2008/internet/is-sea-kayaking-a-commercial-sport/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good post. . . what you said!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good post. . . what you said!  <img src='http://keithwikle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://keithwikle.com/index.php/2008/internet/is-sea-kayaking-a-commercial-sport/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are ypu guys speaking da english?  Wow I selfishly checked out Keiths site to see if I could find a Ubeercross link for a job interveiw and I see all this recent crazy posting.  Are you all enjoying paddling?  Isnt that how one gets good enough to become a representitiive of the sport?  Maybe not.  Most of the sea kayaking customers I dealt with in the industry were selling themselves out to a ideal rather then shopping for needed gear.  Cant we all just enjoy the sport? Havng a finger on the pulse of the outdoor industry Ive aways felt that if someone wanted to make themselves known as a top knotch athelete in the industry, sea kayaking provides one of the easiest door to fame.  This is because so many of the few people that own the unusual and expensive equipment actually use it.  Call me crazy but I think ones focus should always focus on their enjoyment and pure uncommercial passion of what they are doing rather then fluffing our feather as the obscure freaks that we are.  Lets go have fun and look out for each other.
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are ypu guys speaking da english?  Wow I selfishly checked out Keiths site to see if I could find a Ubeercross link for a job interveiw and I see all this recent crazy posting.  Are you all enjoying paddling?  Isnt that how one gets good enough to become a representitiive of the sport?  Maybe not.  Most of the sea kayaking customers I dealt with in the industry were selling themselves out to a ideal rather then shopping for needed gear.  Cant we all just enjoy the sport? Havng a finger on the pulse of the outdoor industry Ive aways felt that if someone wanted to make themselves known as a top knotch athelete in the industry, sea kayaking provides one of the easiest door to fame.  This is because so many of the few people that own the unusual and expensive equipment actually use it.  Call me crazy but I think ones focus should always focus on their enjoyment and pure uncommercial passion of what they are doing rather then fluffing our feather as the obscure freaks that we are.  Lets go have fun and look out for each other.<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if a great divide develops between paddlers with names and those without, I imagine you'll always be able to find top notch no-name paddlers who are willing to head to teach at symposiums. I know a few on the North Shore of Lake Superior who are outstanding paddlers, who love to teach, but just don't have the name recognition. 

My point: you'll always be able to find talented people to instruct formally and informally at symposiums. Heck, Roy is that you? Get Roy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if a great divide develops between paddlers with names and those without, I imagine you&#8217;ll always be able to find top notch no-name paddlers who are willing to head to teach at symposiums. I know a few on the North Shore of Lake Superior who are outstanding paddlers, who love to teach, but just don&#8217;t have the name recognition. </p>
<p>My point: you&#8217;ll always be able to find talented people to instruct formally and informally at symposiums. Heck, Roy is that you? Get Roy!</p>
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		<title>By: kwikle</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwikle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy/Greg

First, thanks for reading. 

I agree at this point no-one, and I mean no-one is getting filthy rich on paddling. I think it's more that the professional paddlers, expeditions, and blogging are upping the ante on what was once an unplowed field of amateurism.

My hope is that the approachability never changes. In running, cycling, and soccer there is an impermeable layer between the amateurs and the professionals that seems to exist and makes the world a smaller uglier place. 

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy/Greg</p>
<p>First, thanks for reading. </p>
<p>I agree at this point no-one, and I mean no-one is getting filthy rich on paddling. I think it&#8217;s more that the professional paddlers, expeditions, and blogging are upping the ante on what was once an unplowed field of amateurism.</p>
<p>My hope is that the approachability never changes. In running, cycling, and soccer there is an impermeable layer between the amateurs and the professionals that seems to exist and makes the world a smaller uglier place. </p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kieth

Interesting points, except no matter how good someone gets.  They still don't make much of a huge living doing symposiums or paddling around anywhere. Even with sponsorships, it's a bleak paycheck and the sponsorships only alow the paddlers money to go a very small amount farther, and give a little more margin of safety on their trip.  I don't think that any of the paddlers I've ever met are in it for the money and many use the travel expenses payed by symposiums to be able to afford to visit family in the areas of the where the symposium in being held.

Paddling in of it'self is the addiction, not profit.  If profit were the main factor, they would surely pick a differant venue.

I doubt that we will ever see a point where the "elite" paddlers will be too expensive but rather we could see them being too broke to be able to travel to some symposiums because of the time away from work and the economy eating away at the pay we all make.  The ones fortunate to be able to take the time to travel,  will of course possiably be  too busy with all the new symposiums that keep cropping up.

The real key is to make sure that who you want to have at any symposium, has close family in the area of the symposium as an added incentive to pick your area for any particular weekend. I doubt that pay has ever been the incentive to do any symposium.

Just my thoughts
Best Wishes
Roy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kieth</p>
<p>Interesting points, except no matter how good someone gets.  They still don&#8217;t make much of a huge living doing symposiums or paddling around anywhere. Even with sponsorships, it&#8217;s a bleak paycheck and the sponsorships only alow the paddlers money to go a very small amount farther, and give a little more margin of safety on their trip.  I don&#8217;t think that any of the paddlers I&#8217;ve ever met are in it for the money and many use the travel expenses payed by symposiums to be able to afford to visit family in the areas of the where the symposium in being held.</p>
<p>Paddling in of it&#8217;self is the addiction, not profit.  If profit were the main factor, they would surely pick a differant venue.</p>
<p>I doubt that we will ever see a point where the &#8220;elite&#8221; paddlers will be too expensive but rather we could see them being too broke to be able to travel to some symposiums because of the time away from work and the economy eating away at the pay we all make.  The ones fortunate to be able to take the time to travel,  will of course possiably be  too busy with all the new symposiums that keep cropping up.</p>
<p>The real key is to make sure that who you want to have at any symposium, has close family in the area of the symposium as an added incentive to pick your area for any particular weekend. I doubt that pay has ever been the incentive to do any symposium.</p>
<p>Just my thoughts<br />
Best Wishes<br />
Roy</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Stamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Stamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith,

I read your comments with interest.  Just to clarify my point, I have never enjoyed travelogues, and not because of a recent invasion of kayakers around New Zealand. By that I mean a written story where the author concentrates on mundane details, instead of the big picture. For readers old enough to have heard Cheech and Chong's "What I did on my Summer Vacation", you might get my drift. Please note that I'm not talking about kayakers blogging their trips either. That is interesting in its own right to me, because it is live.

With the feeling that the major "firsts" are taken (which is subject to debate), there may be a growing trend to be the "fastest around". Expect to see more wing blades and Valley Rapiers and similar kayaks. While I also like traveling light and fast I'd hate to see the main emphasis on long trips to be competition. Of course we are not bound to follow trends and can follow our own path...

Regarding commercialism and sponsorship, I'm not sure that we are on the verge of a new wave of sea kayak commercialism -- but there are certainly many more people getting into kayak "expeditions".  That's a good thing, IMO. Generally a long sea kayaking trip still involves a high amount of personal sacrifice (emotional and financial ). The experience is the reward.

One great thing about kayaking is still the accessibility of kayakers at all levels of the sport. Fortunately, I don't see that changing anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,</p>
<p>I read your comments with interest.  Just to clarify my point, I have never enjoyed travelogues, and not because of a recent invasion of kayakers around New Zealand. By that I mean a written story where the author concentrates on mundane details, instead of the big picture. For readers old enough to have heard Cheech and Chong&#8217;s &#8220;What I did on my Summer Vacation&#8221;, you might get my drift. Please note that I&#8217;m not talking about kayakers blogging their trips either. That is interesting in its own right to me, because it is live.</p>
<p>With the feeling that the major &#8220;firsts&#8221; are taken (which is subject to debate), there may be a growing trend to be the &#8220;fastest around&#8221;. Expect to see more wing blades and Valley Rapiers and similar kayaks. While I also like traveling light and fast I&#8217;d hate to see the main emphasis on long trips to be competition. Of course we are not bound to follow trends and can follow our own path&#8230;</p>
<p>Regarding commercialism and sponsorship, I&#8217;m not sure that we are on the verge of a new wave of sea kayak commercialism&#8212;but there are certainly many more people getting into kayak &#8220;expeditions&#8221;.  That&#8217;s a good thing, IMO. Generally a long sea kayaking trip still involves a high amount of personal sacrifice (emotional and financial ). The experience is the reward.</p>
<p>One great thing about kayaking is still the accessibility of kayakers at all levels of the sport. Fortunately, I don&#8217;t see that changing anytime soon.</p>
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